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25 Oct 2009

Samson C01U microphone and Windows 7 (and Vista)

     

pmb_c03u_mic_croppedToday I picked up a Samson C01U mic so that I can have better audio in my WindowsClient.net videos than I had in some previous screencasts. The mic is the same one that Scott Hanselman has used when recording podcasts from his setup.

I spent the better part of the afternoon messing around with the mic, trying to get something with usable audio. The gain just seemed way too low, barely registering one bar in the Windows 7 audio device setup dialog.

I made sure to crank up the gain in that dialog (it’s set really low by default). but that made only marginal difference.

I tried it on my netbook to check levels (which seemed slightly higher there, but still not usable) I even tried switching it around between different USB ports on my PC in case power was an issue. I tried it both on-board and in an external powered USB hub. The tip for that came from Bill Reiss in the Camtasia forums here (excerpted below, emphasis mine).

I had an issue with the Samson C01U microphone levels on Windows 7 (Vista should be very similar), the microphone was very quiet. It turns out that it was the USB port I was plugging it into, it must not provide enough power. I switched to another USB port on the other side of the laptop and it was fine.
If you try switching to another USB port and this doesn't help, you may want to consider a USB hub that has external AC power.
Hope this helps, I didn't find any advice like this online and was about to give up on this microphone before I figured it out. Now I'm very happy with it.

So, before I completely gave up on what I was sure would be a good mic, I decided to try some other ports. My external powered hub has two ports sticking out of the top which look like they might be special. I tried one of those and bam! I suddenly had sound levels in the red. I guess those two are the only ones getting additional juice.

Condenser mics need external power because they rely on voltage changes in a capacitor to capture sound. This makes them more sensitive than other types of mics, but also means they need power where others do not.

In Windows XP you can use the special pre-amp software to work around this, but I imagine the USB power issue remains simply masked.

It appears that not all USB power is created equal. Now the mic sounds great.

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posted by Pete Brown on Sunday, October 25, 2009
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13 comments for “Samson C01U microphone and Windows 7 (and Vista)”

  1. Brandonsays:
    Curious what software you were recording into? And what adjustments did you make along with changing the USB port? Thanks in advance. I've heard that the software that comes with the Samsons is very poor and nearly unusable in Vista and Windows 7.
  2. Pete Brownsays:
    @Brandon

    I was recording to TechSmith Camtasia 6 on Windows 7. Samson's software doesn't work on Vista or Win7 as I understand it, and actually wasn't needed. The only things that need to be done are to ensure you have a powered USB port (buy a powered hub if you need to, and be sure to try all the ports you have) and check the recording properties inside Win7 to make sure the level isn't down near zero.

    Other than that, no adjustments.

    Pete
  3. Brandonsays:
    Glad to hear that. That's what I'll be doing mostly, too. But curious what settings people are putting it at when recording into something like Audacity. Thanks Pete.
  4. Brad Burgesays:
    No matter what program you use, if you want to record multi-track music, you can only hear the tracks you have already recorded. The signal thru any digital mic doesn't go thru the sound card, so you don't hear it in your headphones. My Samson C01U has a wonderful sound and very low noise, but it is not a good tool to use with Cakewalk, Sonar, or other programs that a musician might use to record on several tracks by himself.
  5. sJsays:
    I just bought a used C01U. Until I found this page on google I thought the mic was bad. My windows 7 would detect it then after some time (very short time, like a min or two), it stops working and if I just remove the usb and connect again, it would say unknown device. I am thinking I should get a usb hub and try the mic with it. Until then it's totally unusable for me!!
  6. Pete Brownsays:
    @sJ

    That's not quite what happened in my case, but it *could* be a symptom of low power.

    Make sure you get a *powered* USB hub and make not of any ports which get more power than others. On my Belkin, for example, the top two ports worked with the mic while the others did not. Don't hesitate to try other ports both on your PC (especially the ones in the back) and in a hub.

    Pete
  7. sJsays:
    I am not sure! I tried on my HP laptop and I also tried it on my friends Dell laptop. Both did the same thing. Maybe the mic is bad after all.
  8. Pete Brownsays:
    @sJ

    Laptops are almost always underpowered for the USB ports. Some will have one or two that get decent power, though.

    Definitely go with an external plug-in hub to be sure.

    Pete
  9. mikesays:
    I'm glad I found this. This happened to me yesterday with my laptop. The mic was just barely picking up noise, except when it worked normally for about 2 minutes. I switched USB ports and it started working fine. Of course that was after I exchanged it but all is well now. Thank you.
  10. sJsays:
    Haven't tried an external USB hub yet but I tried the mic on a Windows XP PC, same result. Mine, it seems is simply defective.
  11. Aaronsays:
    Hey Pete, thanks for writing this...just got my second hand C01U from ebay today and it's been bumming me out for hours. So it looks like I need a powered hub. I just wanted to ask about the exact Belkin model you have so I know I'm buying one which has been proven to work. Thanks.
  12. Petesays:
    @Aaron

    I haven't seen that belkin in stores in quite some time, so I image it is discontinued. If you have a good powered hub, and you try all the ports, some or all of them should work.

    Also be sure to up the recording level in the project properties.

    Finally, be sure you';re using the C01U as the input. Some things, like sound recorder, often default to another mic without offering you any way (inside the app) to change it. A friend ran into problems and it turned out his webcam mic was what was in-use.

    Pete
  13. Timsays:
    I've been using the CO1U for 5 years now and wanted to share my experience as well. On windows XP-32, I don't recall any issues regarding recording volume or quality. To prevent audio stutter when running more than 4 gig ram in XP-64 and Vista 64 (till SP-1), required a 64 bit usb mic patch from microsoft ( search for Article ID: 938136 ) . The most recent challenge was a new installation of Win 7 64 bit. Using the same USB port, the mic worked fine in Windows XP mode but was quiet in Win 7. My sound settings in Camtasia and Windows were correct. I plugged the mic into a powered USB hub and Win 7 recording levels now good. Though documents I've read state the Samson only draws 26 milliamp at 5 volts, for me it only works correctly in Win 7 64 bit using a powered hub. I repeat, that running Windows XP mode inside of the 64 bit Win7 installation worked fine. It only was weak when running from Windows 7. Same physical hardware except I suppose the virtual hardware in XP mode changed something. I also use the mic in 32 or 64 bit linux Ubuntu installations with no issues. Hope this helps someone.

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