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The New and Improved Silverlight.net Site

Pete Brown - 07 July 2011

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We're just about ready to launch the new version of silverlight.net. Here's the posting I put on the forums today:

Announcement - Silverlight.NET site will switch to the new design by July end. NOTE: 3 Calls to Action below!

For some time now, you have given us feedback on how to make the Silverlight site better - make it easier to find the right content, make it easier to learn by supporting different learning styles, and highlight community content more prominently on the site.  We addressed this by creating a new type of site for Silverlight and released a beta version at MIX 2011, http://beta.silverlight.net.  This new design has been in Beta for few months and we have received good feedback from many of you.

Now, it's time to switch over the Silverlight site (www.silverlight.net) to this new design and we plan to do this migration in the week of July 18. This means that the Beta site (http://beta.silverlight.net/) will be retired and current site (www.silverlight.net) will switch to the new design.  NOTE: The site URL will remain the same, just the design and navigation will change. This change has a few minor implications to users, so we are giving you advance notice to familiarize yourself with the changes and take the necessary actions called out below.

What will I get with the new design?

· Simplified look and feel that will also be used across other developer sites in the months to come

· Simplified "Getting Started" resources and steps for new users

· Richer Community info (Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, Events, News)

· Scalable and more usable information architecture in the "Learn" section

  • Experience Level tags on all Learn content (Beginner, Novice, Intermediate, Professional) so that you can understand how technical the content is before you start reading it
  • Richer meta data for all Learn content (author bios, related content, view counts and more) so that it will be faster and easier for you to find the content you need
  • Integrated MSDN Code Gallery so that you can find and share samples with people from all over the world
  • Mark content items you've "completed" so that you can keep track of what you have read
  • Mark content items as favorites - eventually we'll make it easier for you to find your favorite articles

· Faster page loads and performance all around

· Site-wide search improvements

· New advertising types and layout

What happens to Sign In - Call to Action!

  • Note, you only need to sign-in to participate in Forums or Community activities, you don't need to sign-in to browse the forums, community or learn pages on the site.
  • To sign-in to the new site, you must use a Windows Live ID. This streamlines the sign in process to a single method and provides a unified MSDN profile that can be used across MSDN, TechNet, and Expression websites.
  • If you use an existing Windows Live ID to sign into MSDN, we recommend you use that or you can create a new one using an existing email address.
  • NOTE: If you do not currently login using a Windows Live ID, we recommend you get a new one associated to your account before the switch occurs on the week of 7/18/11 

What happens to my profile and User-specific data

  • If you have a current profile and sign-in with a Windows Live ID, then you do not have to do anything. We will migrate your data to the new site automatically.
  • If you have a current profile and sign-in with a Silverlight ID, then we encourage you to create and sign-in with a new Windows Live ID before the switch. This will ensure that your existing profile data will be migrated to the new system.
  • If you do not have a Windows Live ID or a profile that you care to save, you can sign-in with a Windows Live ID at any time and we will create a new profile for you at that time.
  • NOTE: If you do not sign-in with a WLID before the switch, a small part of your profile data (bio and web address) will be lost, but points & awards will still be retained.

What happens to Forums content:

  • All Forums threads/posts/comments/activity will be migrated to the new site
  • Most URLs will remain the same, but some will be redirected to the correct place on the new site

What happens to Community Blogs & News

  • Most recent Community content (Blogs, News, Events, Podcasts, etc.) will be migrated to the new site
  • Most URLs will remain the same, but some will be redirected to the correct place on the new site

What happens to Community Code Samples - Call to Action!

  • As you can see on the Beta site now, we are moving to a new & improved Samples page based on the MSDN Code Samples platform.
  • The new Samples page requires that all samples must be full VS solutions.
  • We will contact the Community Sample owners to migrate the top samples into the MSDN Code Gallery by launch.
  • If you have a code sample that was not migrated to the new site, we encourage you to re-submit your sample to the MSDN Code Gallery at any time.

What happens to Showcase - Call to Action!

  • We are updating the current Showcase application with a new & improved one as part of the new design.
  • We will migrate the most recent and top rated Showcase entries to the new site.
  • If you have a showcase item that was not  migrated to the new site, we encourage you to re-submit your showcase at any time.

Thanks

MSDN Silverlight Team

I'm really excited about the new site, and all the work the MSDN and Developer Guidance teams, along with our partners, have put into it. I think you'll find it easier to learn the technology and easier to find the answers you're looking for when you visit our dev centers. You may even recognize some of the content organization from a certain popular Silverlight book :)

The most important thing you can do now, as a member of Silverlight.net, is go in and associated your windows live id so your account migrates cleanly. As mentioned above, after the migration, you will still be able to do the association, but your profile will not port over 100%.

     
posted by Pete Brown on Thursday, July 7, 2011
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23 comments for “The New and Improved Silverlight.net Site”

  1. Andreisays:
    You have a misspelling on the URL

    "This means that the Beta site (http://beta.siliverlight.net)"

    Stupid question maybe, when redesigning, did you consider as an option a complete Silverlight website?
    If by any chance you did, what was it you didn't like it?

    Thanks,
    Andrei N.
  2. David Rohsays:
    Hi Pete,

    You have and are providing awesome support for the Silverlight community - so the following comments are direct at Microsoft and not you personally.

    It would have been a major show of support for what Silverlight can do if the new website had been built from 100% Silverlight - it's a real slam at Silverlight to say hey you guys go develop LOB apps with Silverlight but we are going to use HTML.

    The show case section and the community code samples section are major sources of information and inspiration - dropping these and moving some of them to a new places is a major mistake. Please continue to make both of these section available in at least an archive section somewhere.

    David
  3. Jonsays:
    Please pay attention - Microsoft's new strategy for cross-platform apps is HTML and Javascript. Using Silverlight here would only confuse the issue. Thanks for understanding.
  4. Petesays:
    All:

    This isn't about web *applications*, I'm talking content sites.)

    I know this is going to ruffle a feather or two, but I'm going to say it again: Silverlight was never EVER the right solution for a public-facing content-based web site. I know some folks have managed to make it work, but it is not at all what Silverlight was designed for. Some people can also off-road in a Porsche, but it's not ideal :)

    It's also going well against the grain of how the web works. Flash-based websites were all the rage for a while, until everyone realized just how annoying they were. Then they went to just flash-based intros, now those are pretty rare as well. (thankfully!)

    The web revolves around HTML with other little bits plugged into it. Search engines are optimized for that above all else. It's the right approach for a site like silverlight.net, or a blog like mine. It's not about showing love for one tech or another, it's about using the right technology at the right time in the right place. I'll drive my porsche on the pavement, and take the land rover across those old siberian bridges (look them up on youtube).

    Of course, you are free to use Silverlight in pretty much any way you (legally) want, just as a sometimes use an adjustable wrench to hammer nails :)

    Pete
  5. Janier Davilasays:
    Pete,

    Thanks for the letting us know.

    The second link to http://beta.silverlight.net/ is actually pointing to beta.siliverlight.net. Unfortunately, that was the one I clicked first :)
  6. Petesays:
    @Geordie

    HTML/JS/CSS, as a web site should be. Not sre how much if any HTML5-specific stuff will make it in on the first round.

    The site is on umbraco, an open source platform based on ASP.NET


    @Janier

    I'll correct it, thanks.

    Pete
  7. Fallon Masseysays:
    Note: Anybody that doesn't realize that Silverlight isn't for public facing websites, probably doesn't have customers doing any real business on the internet. It's makes no sense to force customers to install anything when you're trying to get their money as fast as possible.

    Question: You said,
    ◦If you have a current profile and sign-in with a Silverlight ID, then we encourage you to create and sign-in with a new Windows Live ID before the switch. This will ensure that your existing profile data will be migrated to the new system.

    Can you explain how to do this? Wouldn't a new profile in Windows Live automatically loose all of your point, etc.?
  8. Petesays:
    @Fallon

    Sign out of the site, then sign back in using an existing (or new) Windows Live ID. The first time you do that, you'll be prompted to migrate your old account over. If you do that in the next week or so, everythign will migrate, including your points. If you do that later, everything except your bio will migrate.
  9. Marksays:
    "I know this is going to ruffle a feather or two, but I'm going to say it again: Silverlight was never EVER the right solution for a public-facing content-based web site."

    Okay, I'll bite. If it wasn't made for that, why was it ever invented? Why was it in a browser in the first place? Why was it called WPF Everywhere? Why not just use WPF if SL isn't for the web? Why did they make it work for the Mac? Why did they make a navigation framework? Why did they use it in Netflix? (though I suspect Netflix isn't happy they made that choice if they are even still using it)

    I know this is off topic and I tried not to post this, but your statement just doesn't make sense to me. I think it would have made an excellent public facing web building environment IF the plug-in were put on more platforms, like Flash HAS done. And if Microsoft built the plug-in into Windows, performance would have been excellent. I think SL is an opportunity apparently now squandered. It is SO much better to develop in it isn't funny. And I DID HTML and javascript and SVG about 10 years ago. I dread now facing the prospect of having to go back to that.

    Now with that off my shoulders, congrats on making a new website even if I prefer the old one.
  10. Petesays:
    @Mark

    Silverlight wasn't meant to be the whole technology to create your ENTIRE web site in. It just wasn't. It was great for the "islands of richness" and media approach (and still is), and for creating entire web APPS. While I know some people have done it, and done it well, Silverlight is not the tech for creating, say, a blog, or a corp web site.

    You can, but that's not what it's best used for,

    Pete
  11. Neil Connerysays:
    Can you be more clear on what is Silverlight intended for? Video players? Doesn't seem logical, really. On the web, you use HTML/CSS/JS and that's it. For the same reason you don't want Flash, you should not want Silverlight either.

    What is the purpose & target market for Silverlight?
  12. Zachsays:
    I second Neil's point of view. Pete, it seems like you believe Silverlight should be used for web apps, but I also think every modern web site is now a web application. Silverlight could be used for a public-facing web site given that the text rendering engine is well-implemented, SL content loads in a reasonable amount of time, there is enough support for SEO (I've seen articles on SL and Flash SEO), and installing/uninstalling SL is very easy. (I've been coming across a lot of angry Twitter users who have had a hard time with installing/uninstalling SL)

    "The web revolves around HTML with other little bits plugged into it"

    I'm willing to bet the average user doesn't even know what HTML is. What matters to most people is whether they get a seamless experience out of using a web site, meaning technologies should not matter. We are all SL developers who care about being productive and delivering the best experience on the Internet, so not surprisingly, we want Silverlight to be pushed hard beyond its limits.

  13. Rosssays:
    One bothersome trend I've noticed coming out of Microsoft is the return to colorless UI. It's like we're stepping back 20 or more years in time...when everything was gray...except now it's mostly white with gray as an accent color. Yawn.
  14. Petesays:
    @Ross

    I agree that is both boring, and not great for UX. We're actually looking at a few subtle color additions to silverlight.net before the cutover. It'll still mostly be white, but at least not just two tone white gray.

    Pete
  15. techSagesays:
    Can you please edit the post above with the very helpful instructions you gave to Fallon so that users don't get confused about that like I did (signing in and then looking for a place to associate), i.e.:

    "Sign out of the site, then sign back in using an existing (or new) Windows Live ID. The first time you do that, you'll be prompted to migrate your old account over. If you do that in the next week or so, everythign will migrate, including your points. If you do that later, everything except your bio will migrate."
  16. David Rohsays:
    If you are interested in the future of Silverlight check out these two links about the Xamarin/Attachmate announcement.

    http://tirania.org/blog/

    http://www.novell.com/news/press/2011/7/suse-and-xamarin-partner-to-accelerate-innovation-and-support-mono-customers-and-community.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    David Roh

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